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Post by a right hander on Aug 18, 2011 11:39:17 GMT -5
...to win any big prizes?
just checked out the updated unofficial standings...man, are there any right-handers in there?
looks like hamtram is continuing its lefty-friendly reputation, at least at the top of its leaderboards.
what percentage of super jackpot bowlers were left-handed this year?
let me guess...the left-handers are just THAT MUCH BETTER than the right-handers, right?
fix the tournament!
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Post by someone on Aug 18, 2011 14:12:32 GMT -5
stop crying and learn to bowl. a true bowler doesnt care if a left-handed bowler or right-handed bowler wins. If it was you, you wouldnt care would you?
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Post by someone else on Aug 19, 2011 22:40:13 GMT -5
ha ha ha...
your right, a true bowler doesn't care who wins. but at the same time, a smart bowler knows when the deck is stacked against them.
i remember a couple of years ago...super jackpot squad at hamtram, close to half of the sold out squad was left-handed. you think they know something?
what percentage of all bowlers are left-handed, like 10-20% tops, yet 50% of super jackpot bowlers are left-handed.
and what percentage of the top spots in this years payouts are left-handed?
learn to bowl...ha ha ha. tell me why some of the best lefties in the region come to bowl hamtram, but the righties stay away. it must be because those rights don't know how to bowl right?
ha ha ha...get a clue.
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Post by neil on Sept 2, 2011 5:31:08 GMT -5
iam left handed and i finished in the top 20 scratch and i dont care who you are or what house were in or on any shot i will take you anyday for any amount just let me know...
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Post by Not Neil on Sept 3, 2011 21:12:48 GMT -5
Neil, Neil, Neil...so sad that rather than address the issues being raised, you'd rather "whip it out" to show what a "man" you are.
Some of the best local right-handers WILL stay out of brackets if certain left-handers are bowling. Now, do you really think that these bowlers are scared of the left-handers? No, but they do KNOW that they are at a significant disadvantage.
You (and others) can choose to ignore it all you want, but fact is fact. How many left-handers have won this tournament since the current regime took it over? I know that Milasinovich has won it 3 times (counting the current one), David Alef won 1, Anthony Hill won 1 (with a Burgandy Hammer). Jeremy Thomas is right-handed, and there was a Canadian, right-handed no-thumber who also won...not sure about the rest.
The point is this...left-handers DOMINATE this tournament. Sure the condition is EASY (did you see that in all CAPS), but right-handers flat-out do NOT carry the way that the left side does, PERIOD.
As a side note Neil, congratulations on your top 20 scratch finish. Averaging 250 for a day is nothing to sneeze at...of course, neither is averaging 157 at Nationals either. Keep working hard and maybe you can win the HSC too!
For anyone else that chooses to comment, how about actually addressing the issue instead of trying to attack the messenger or claiming to be better than you REALLY are?
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Post by neil on Sept 5, 2011 11:25:43 GMT -5
my comment had nothing to do with this turny i was going along the lines of no matter what turny it is or what house youR IN you will allways have to hear about it's cause he left handed you never here anyone saying hey he is only bowling good cause hes on the right side.... the point is if your good bowler you will be able to find a line anywhere and work thru the lanes to get to the pocket. or give your fellow bowlers a high five for doing a great job. i'm just tired of hearing its cause he left handed and not hearing about the form that left hander has or look at the ball control.. the only thing people notice is that i'm useing my LEFT HAND.
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Post by not neil on Sept 6, 2011 9:19:13 GMT -5
I get what you're saying Neil, and in some instances you are correct about the complaint. Most of the people who make those arguments though are poor sports who simply don't know what they are doing or what they are talking about.
The issue at the HSC is completely different. Looking over the scratch division...there are 3 people I know that bowled in leagues at Hazel Park, 2 lefties and 1 righty. All 3 of them averaged over 230+ for a full league season, one of them actually got to either 240 or 250, I think (that was the righty). Yet when checking the tournament standings, the lefties are in the top 5 and the righty was over 30 short of 1000 (and I'm sure he didn't bowl only once).
Very good regional lefties bowl in this event...like Art Brown, Chris Hester, George Goehagen, Billy Oatman, and others I'm not as familiar with. These guys travel all over the Midwest. But where are the good regional righties? Either they don't bowl the event (why wouldn't they for $25,000?), or they don't make it high on the prize list (why would that be?). Granted there are a few names on the list, but the lefty/righty proportion is greatly skewed towards the lefties.
Make no mistake, all of those who cashed high on the list fall into one of two categories. Either they are very good bowlers, or they had a "career" day. Regardless of which one a particular bowler falls into, it does not diminish what they accomplished.
Lastly, the major issue is the scoring discrepancy. Sure a righty may have posted a score over 1000. But if you check ALL of the scores from the top 20 scratch players, you will more than likely see that lefties have shot FAR more scratch scores over 1000 than righties. Unless you truly believe that the lefties are THAT MUCH BETTER than everyone else, THAT represents a large problem. Unfortunately the HSC fails to see this as a problem.
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Post by neil on Sept 9, 2011 22:47:55 GMT -5
i wounder if we will ever get paid for this event anyways.
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Post by objectiveobserver on Jan 26, 2012 9:15:17 GMT -5
Hey Not Neil,
Alot of righander feel that the Lefties have an advantage and they do. When you have 10 people on a lane and 9 are right handed and one is lefthanded guess what? The right side conditions change rapidly and you have to adjust. But then you have 8 other people to watch to see what you need to do to make an adjustment.
Where as a left hander is left to himself to find the right combination with no one to talk to. But when he does find the line the conditions are more stable because of the lack of traffic.
Have you ever seen 5 Lefties on one lane - I would be curious to see how it effect them.
But the way 1 out of 10 people are lefthanded based on google articles found.
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Post by Still not Neil on Feb 9, 2012 1:02:58 GMT -5
Have U ever been to watch this tourney?
According to your own stats, 1 in 10 is left-handed. Check out a super jackpot squad and tell me what the % is of LH bowlers in the squad. Wanna bet it's much bigger than 10%?
Objectivity is a funny thing. You'll claim to see both sides, but somehow cannot see the obvious. You know who's leading right now? A left-hander.
Good left-handers score, bad left-handers score...it's just not RIGHT (pun intended), at least not often.
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Post by objectiveobserver on Feb 13, 2012 0:02:33 GMT -5
hey not neal perhaps you should ask the tournament to list everybody as left or right handed on the standings sheet. Get it out in the open.
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